to all future commenters of this article...

Posted By NYMRTEAM on February 24, 2009

thanks for all the comments that have been given for this article, even as negative as they have been.

if you have a negative comment, it would be more beneficial to the NYMR web team and future readers if instead of writing why you don't like the article, you wrote something constructive, like what you would like to see or learn more about this with regards to this topic.

It would be also be helpful if you added to the content in the article with new facts and information, instead of just bickering.

thanks!!!

and to the people who like this article...

Posted By NYMRTEAM on February 24, 2009

if you have learned something from this article, it would be very helpful/encouraging if you would share your thoughts on the article as well :)

holla!

Zeitgeist is full of lies.

Posted By XTRASHED on June 7, 2009

Look at these following websites:

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/index_articles.html

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jes...ilarities.html

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/HORUS.htm


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Go to a university library, find the best scholarly up-to-date books on Egyptology, historical Jesus, ancient Israel/Judaism, astrology, etc look up and compare the "Zeitgeist" claims against the best souces you can find, etc.

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excerpt from:
ZEITGEIST: REFUTING THE SPIRIT OF THE AGE [TRANSCRIPT]

In Part 1 of the film Zeitgeist, nearly 200 sources are cited in the transcript. Yet, many of these sources are used more than once. In fact, when the transcript for this film is examined in further detail, we see that less than 25% of these sources are original.
The idea that Jesus is a copycat Solar Deity has been propagated by the self-taught Egyptologist and practicing druid Gerald Massey (wikipedia); homosexual activist and philosopher Edward Carpenter (wikipedia); atheist professor John Allegro; and authors Peter Gandy & Timothy Freke and Acharya S.

Another source cited in the film was occultist and mystic H.P. Blavatsky and her book The Secret Doctrine. Blavatsky was the founder of the Theosophical Society, one of the most powerful occult organization in the world that has perhaps had more influence on the United Nations than any other religious society. The Nazi movement was founded on Theosophy and her writing. Blavatskys book The Secret Doctrine, which was cited in the film Zeitgeist, was known to be an inspiration to Adolf Hitler, specifically towards his ideas about superior and inferior races. (Spielvogel; wikipedia). In The Secret Doctrine she wrote, ''In antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time.''(512, 513)

She also wrote, ''And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the Lord of Phosphorus . . . . and Lucifer or Light Bearer, is in us . . . . it is our mind . . . . [our] Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism.'' (513)
Gerald Massey, cited 30 times, wrote for the Theosophical magazine entitled Lucifer published by H.P. Blavatsky.

Also cited: Godfrey Higgins, Albert Churchwood, and Manly P. Hall were all members of the Freemasons secret society. Manly P. Hall, a 33rd degree Mason, wrote on page 48 of his book Lost Keys of Freemasonry: When a Mason learns that the key is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, the seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands. (Hall, 48).

First of all, there are no original citations from Egyptian records pre-dating the New Testament to support these ideas listed in books by authors including Albert Churchwood, Acharya S, Gerald Massey, and Thomas Doane. Secondly, this is a far too simplistic representation of the myths surrounding Horus. In reality, there are many versions. There were originally several different gods known by the name Horus (Miller).
As for resurrections, academic scholars of religion acknowledge that there is no evidence for the belief that any of these mythical deities were believed to have risen from the dead prior to the time of New Testament and Jesus.

Dr. Walter Burkert, a Greek religion scholar and author stated, There is no evidence for a resurrected Attis, even Osiris remains with the dead (Burkert). Dr. Norman Geisler wrote, The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld. . . This is far different than Jesus resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by others on earth before his ascension into heaven. . . even if there are myths about dying and rising gods prior to Christianity, that doesnt mean the New Testament writers copied from them. (Geisler).

Even atheists and non-Christian scholars have rejected this idea that Christianity has been borrowed from ancient myths. The well respected Sir Edward Evans Pritchard wrote, The evidence for this theory. . . is negligible. (Ankerberg, Weldon). In sum, skeptic claims of Christianity being borrowed from ancient Egypt, India, Greece, and Persia can be disregarded as false because there are no primary sources for these parallels pre-dating A.D. 150. This is more than 100 years after the origin of Christianity!

Full transcript available.

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Father Barron on Zeitgeist - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZk9Lb22Kr

Refuting Zeitgeist - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAjsKXELrM

open mind

Posted By SPARTAN31 on June 8, 2009

Before i begin i want to say hearty23 and maybe everyone that you are misunderstanding me. Yet I think these debates are spiritually healthly. Hearty23 you have opened my eyes to the fact that i have come on to strong. I was just trying open people's eyes and grow. Believe or not I grew up in church. See most people let the powers that be take the driver seat and dictate how they think. That's not just religion, thats almost every aspect of our lives. I wish i could talk to you on the phone or in person because since i do this at work my time is limited. Now when i was christian i wanted grow spiritually, so i studied a lot with an open mind. Then I kept finding flaws in the "word of God." Then i found things that were too much to ignore. Even though I don't have a religion I still learn things from christianity in my spiritual life. Like i said because of time Im rushing this. You have to read all of my statments. There's one big problem with christianity and that's believing its the only way to the Creator. Its not.
In my life I have done and experienced things most have not. I have cast demons out using the christian way and the islam way at 15. That was the beginning of finding God is everywhere so looked everywhere. When anything truly grows it will grow out of box as I call it. Think about it. This includes babys in the womb to plants out the seed, then out of the soil. Same thing happened to me. If anyone want to talk my number is 414-975-5970. This way i can explain further and exchange light. I mean knowledge. In yin and yang the energy flows both ways. You talk I absorb and vise versa.
There are a lot of other factors to all this that can't be typed on p.c. I was going to reply to the other stuff but I think this is an opportunity learn something new to add to myself. Oh yeah, I wouldn't dare waste my time on a Dan Brown novel. Ha Ha,I dont read much fiction.

outside the box

Posted By SPARTAN31 on June 11, 2009

Well Hearty23 I agree with you that I do come on too strong on this site. In person I keep it to myself until someone tries to preach to me, then they get some information they cant handle. Even then I give them the what I call P.G. version. Now, in other statments of mine I have said that my comments were to get people to do too things. One, not let other people in the driver seat all the time. In this society majority of us do. And two, relize christianity is not the "only" way. I've hinted toward this in other statments. Whether I agree or not I can tell there are some intelligent people on this site. So I figured it wouldn't have to be spelled out.

I grew up a christian. Unlike most people I wanted to have deep understanding of the Creator. So I studied. Lots of contradictions and falsehoods were found, but I ignored them. At age 21 I decided to be a sheep anymore. The Creator has shown me on many occasion thats the plan. But that doesn't mean I don't learn anything from the Bible still. Because of time contraints I feel the need to raise eyebrows. Plus believe it or not my statments so far are still rated p.g.

Once again for time sake on the letter J, Hearty23 I could come with more infomation but, instead i'll say thanks for making my point. If the name can be changed then God didn't mean for us to have one path. If that were true then it wouldn't change. And I know about the European verions of my name, but you can still tell it Anthony. Since I have to spell it out "big" difference between Jesus and Yashua.

oh yeah I don't read fiction. HaHa!

the guy above me

Posted By PEACETOEVERYONE on June 17, 2009

Respect to hearty...ive just been reading through these comments and hearty just set the boundary...spartan you need to do more research and stop being narrow minded. I think that everyone has a choice to believe in whatever they want. If people need facts to back up religion then do so, if people can feel the power of their religion just through rational thought of the mind then so be it, if people believe that god is a slavery of the mind then so be it. Have your own opinion but please be respectful to one another. Salaam/peace brothers and sisters.

site discrimination!

Posted By DIAMONDS on June 17, 2009

Sorry for the wait, but this site won't let post comments under my log in. Now I know their are different versions of my name in Europe, you can tell it's Anthony. I didn't think I would have to go that much into detail. Thanks for making my point though, the languages mentioned for Jesus aren't even close. If he were real they would've kept the Hebrew name which is Yashua. Most of the other Hebrews kept their names, except the ones God decided to change for no reason, like Sarah for example. I think that King James's doing, so why did the people change from Hebrews to "j"ews anyway. Very strange.

As far me forcing my beliefs, I have said before people need to wake up and stop excepting everything their clergy tell them. They don't need to have My spirituality but their own. What I meant be there is no straight and narrow is there isn't a single path for all mankind. Yet if you are good person without Jesus you still go to hell. Nonsense! Why give all of us free will and perception?

Then there's looking into the other side as well. I grew up a christian. I didn't want to be a sheep and only listen what church shepard told me. I found too many flaws and untruths. It started at 14 when I found that Jesus would not have been white. But I believed what the clergy told about "something" would be off because its like playing the telephone game in elementary school. So I din't leave the religion until age 21. All that doesn't mean I don't learn spiritual things from christians. Since God created the universe I learn from the universe not just one book that has been used to control, and justify killing so many people. The top too ways to control people. Number 2 God. Acknowledge God's existence then make up your own rules and enforce them. Number 1 is fear. So many things have been accomplished through fear, throughout history and still today. Look at the war on terror for example. And history they used God to invoke fear. Fear the reason it took so long to leave christrianity.

conception

Posted By CHANGEYOURFACE on July 22, 2009

"Conception:
Horus: By a virgin. There is some doubt about this matter.
Jesus: By a virgin. "


what, there is no doubt that Jesus was born of a virgin?
um can you say hypocrite?
if i'm not mistaken, and i'm not, Mary was married as well. even though it is said she married right after the virgin conception there ARE doubts on that matter.

if you are going to post a comparison blog you need to be neutral because nobody is taking these opinions seriously.

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Faith is a Difficult subject!

Posted By MARVX on August 31, 2009

Opinions...

That is all this is.

I totally agree with Hearty23. I was brought up a Catholic and worked in the church for over 16 years, but the more i studied, I always had more questions than answers. The constant answer was "It's all about faith, you have to believe". Damn! now that is hard to do when there are so many mistakes, inconsistencies, and contradictions in religion.

It's a fact that Jesus was not born on Dec 25, so for starters, why keep preaching the fact? More than 85% of Christian based followers still believe this to be true! But, Ask any pastor, priest, etc. And they will tell you that indeed, the second most important date in Christian religion was created to match the pagan beliefs.

Can anyone deny this to be a contradiction?

If religion is the absolute truth because it was inspired by God then it should be flawless specially when it comes to it's teachings.

I really believe That God exists, he is everywhere to be found, in people, in nature, etc. But religion, despite what anyone says, was created by man! And that is a Fact! Our purpose is the pursuit of truth when it comes to God. And only in tolerance, respect, and love will we find it.

So who cares if Horus came before Christ! It is evident that Christianity "borrows" concepts from other religions, we know that for a fact. Read about the council of Nicaea and see for yourself (please don't use wikipedia or the davinci code as a source).

Just open your eyes, and set your soul free!

I just preach Christ

Posted By GOSPEL1ST on September 7, 2009

This is an interesting discussion. I am a Christian. I have never heard of Horus until today-coming across this website. I will be honest, I have not done any research concerning Egyptology, nor am I wise in historical archeology, textual criticism, nor have I watched Religulous, The Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons, etc. Forgive me for my foolishness and ignorance, for if that is the case, I won't speak on those things. I will speak on that which I do know. I believe Jesus Christ is God, because I believe He died on the cross, for the remission of my sins. I believe He is risen from the dead. The proof that this is true, is God Himself living within me, and the change I see in my own being. Is it not true that God does not dwell where there is sin? How then can God dwell in me? It can only be that something took place on the cross, something powerful, to place me in right relationship with God. We can talk all day about science, history, facts, as if we really understand all of that. Were any of us around 2000 years ago, or beyond, to bear witness, for certain, that any of this is true (whether the Bible which teaches Christ, or whether Egyptian stories that teach Horus)? I appeal to your mind and heart, your reason as a person (to anyone who may read this), and I will admit that it is possible for any of us to believe (or not believe) any of these things. But for me, God Himself has revealed that Christ is God, through His Holy Spirit. God Himself is the greatest proof for the truth of God. If anyone is bold enough to claim that they believe that Horus is God, and they believe Horus died on the cross for their sins, and that they have a true relationship with the one true God through Horus, I am willing to hear that person. I come with no hostility to any of the contributors thus far. Just know that I am already convinced that Christ is God incarnate, the only begotten Son of God. If Horus is risen from the dead, and is the true God, then I am to be pitied and ridiculed above all men. If Christ is not risen from the dead, and is not the true God, then the same verdict is to be applied.

interpretation of terminology

Posted By GREYLINE on September 27, 2009

Everyone has their own interpretation. However the majority of interpretations understand that the similarities
that are in light, roughly fit.

If the similarities were a perfect fit, the mythological figure created during that time would have obviously been spotted as a mimic of a previous figure.

It can not be ignored that mythological figures adapt qualities based on surrounding geographic influences where the figure had originated from.

Therefore, no similarities are going to exactly match, because these figures spring from different geographic areas.

It is the obvious reoccurring core story elements that have the spot light, not the interpretation of the exact quality details attributed to these figures.

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Conception: "virgin birth"... Wouldn't we agree that phrase implies a birth conceived without fertilization? If yes, then Horus and Jesus match on this similarity.

Father: Both are an incarnation of whatever one wants to define as G-d (a humanoid form of the undefinable) since the figure had to be a humanoid for us to relate easier, conception must take at least one humanoid to conceive. And when considering it must be a virgin birth, only the mother taking the form of the human makes most sense.

Mother: I will admit this similarity seems a stretch. As the whole naming of females (and obviously males, but we are discussing mothers now) during that time will not match times of a future generation, with different language, different culture etc; this was addressed in another comment here that discussed potential issues with the naming of "Jesus".

Foster father/ancestry: Same naming issue as above, irrelevant connection because of language compatibility. Royal ancestry I have yet to see refuted though..

Birth location: Same issue of geological conflict, but the reoccurring implied element is the child is born in unfavorable conditions, away from the presence of mainstream society and luxuries; a birth fit for the poor demographic of that time.

Birth heralded by: Sirius is the brightest star in the sky, which aligns with the constellation attributed by the ancients as the "three kings", both Jesus and Horus were implied to be born around the winter solstice. During this time, you would suspect that the brightest star in the sky wouldn't be mistaken. So we can, based on alignment, see that they were most likely the same heralding star.

Method of death: This is another conflict of terminology interpretation. For some reason the similarity trying to be fabricated here is method. When really the connection is that both died, and both were resurrected. Of course the deaths of mythological figures aren't going to match up exactly, that's what makes them unique. It's the fact that they both defeated death. That's the similarity that should stand out along with the virgin birth, these two are perhaps the most important similarities that show one influenced the other (as well as performing other miracles), these are qualities of "gods" which rarely surfaced in society outside of religious influence.

There are so many similarities not refuted here, and even half the similarities here are not refuted. Horus is just one preceding mythological figure of Jesus that shares key character elements, such as life after death. Did we forget to mention the staggering similarities between Jesus, Krishna, Dionysus and Mithra?

We can clearly see enough roughly fitting (we are not talking about a few) similarities between key mythological figures to ascertain future figures will adapt similar qualities. This recycling of adaptations started with the creation of the Zodiac, the relevance of star constellations personified in mythological lore that helped track the progress of our Sun. The Sun, that allows life to manifest on Earth. The ultimate 'savior' in the roots of human's fundamental culture.

The Biblical Jesus (Yahshua)!

Posted By NJSNYDER on October 3, 2009

I posted this somewhere else, it is simply an alert for my Christian brethren.

If people understood & returned to the Hebraic Roots of our faith alot of confusion between pagan gods & similarities would be gone! The real Messiah isn't born on Dec.25th but at Feast of Tabernacles (a fall feast, "Tabernacled with men" & will happen in Millenium Zec.14:16-17). The Messiah wasn't crucified at Easter but at Passover (Passover Lamb). There is not a god out there who fulfills or competes with the actual Biblical holidays in Leviticus 23 which are shadow pictures of things to come Col.2:17 ˜ of course you can find negative on anything now even with Christians in this time of restoration Acts 3:21 which conflicts with peoples traditions & theologies. If Christianized pagan holidays gives athiests ammunition, that should be a sign to return to seek the genuine source! The Fall Feasts are prophetic of Yahshua's 2nd coming! We can trust He is a true "prophet" Deut.13:1-5 & kept the word in detail, commandments, feasts, Sabbath's & Savior. He won't lead us astray in the rest of prophecy to be fulfilled, which some is written in the NT & there isn't going to be a 3rd Testament, just the Lamb's Book of Life! www.biblicalholidays.com a starter.

Hebraic Jesus (Yahshua)

Posted By NJSNYDER on October 3, 2009

If people understood & returned to the Hebraic Roots of our faith alot of confusion between pagan legends & similarities would be gone! The real Messiah isn't born on Dec.25th but at Feast of Tabernacles (a fall feast, "Tabernacled with men" & will happen in Millenium Zec.14:16-17). The Messiah wasn't crucified at Easter but at Passover (Passover Lamb). There is not a god out there who fulfills or competes with the actual Biblical holidays in Leviticus 23 which are shadow pictures of things to come Col.2:17 ˜ of course you can find negative on anything now even with Christians in this time of restoration Acts 3:21 which conflicts with peoples traditions & theologies. If Christianized pagan holidays gives athiests ammunition, that should be a sign to return to seek the genuine source! The Fall Feasts are prophetic of Yahshua's 2nd coming! We can trust He is a true "prophet" Deut.13:1-5 & kept the word in detail, commandments, feasts, Sabbath's & Savior. He won't lead us astray in the rest of prophecy to be fulfilled, which some is written in the NT & there isn't going to be a 3rd Testament, just the Lamb's Book of Life! www.biblicalholidays.com a starter.

the truth

Posted By MURKSTA1 on November 5, 2009

you can belive all you want but do u have facts, lies can be unraveled by the truth. what was created first is my understanding of true knowledge no one can argue about free will, to control something or someone is greed wich let us know that theres limitations, does evil exist? is the question to us all, who is in control? who wants control? open your mind to what exists.

Reiterating the value of hope/faith

Posted By CAB on November 8, 2009

This may be redundant but it must be said again and again; life is based on hope/faith - a formless thing that , in a seemingly contradictory way, depends upon the believer viewing it in 'a form'. One of my favorite quotes go like this - "Nothing is true, everything is permitted". It captures everything this site is about and some! ^_^

Although this may not be the most articulate expression, (I care not for rhetoric or polish(at this time)) I am sure many would agree. And, if you don't - Perfect! There is nothing wrong! Slander me, call it blaspheme! - In fact, I envy your ability to see things in such a light!

I do not find the need to provide my religious/spiritual background because it adds bias and makes it even more complex. Either way, I know the truth and I am free.(for extra fun, consider the logical fallacy I have presented here. Hint - my favorite quote)
-CAB
"Need an explanation for life, ask the quantum physicist. He's much like a philosopher and spiritualist!" -CAB

RE: Reiterating the value of hope/faith

Posted By CAB on November 8, 2009

I feel as though I should add one more thing. However, I will say it first in a very general way to allow the reader to use their powers of deductive reasoning.

You often find that by diversion, you converge to that which you originally believed.

I found this to be very true! In fact, i have found myself reciting the exact things formed through 'structured religion' when i thought I 'strayed' from the 'original' path. I quickly realized that if you seek truth, you will find it. (That is not to say I cannot learn anymore or have realized truth in it's most complete form - neither does it imply I haven't.)
-CAB

Jesus and Horus

Posted By TRODDSY@TPG.COM.AU on November 12, 2009

The truth is much harder to discover when there are 1001 lies and half truths out there to confuse us. For every argument linking Jesus to Horus, there is another to contradict it; and the vast majority of us have no way of verifying what others have said. Most of us have been relying on secondary sources and are totally dependant on the abilities and integrity of those who have gone to the primary sources. A friend of mine had to learn three extinct languages to get a PHD in Theology because you can't rely on someone elses research. Consequently, most of us are just regurgitating something we got from someone elses work, especially when it comes to ancient history. So where does that leave us? We can become an agnostic and simply say "I don't know." For some of us that would be a more honest position than we are taking at the moment.
I am a follower of Jesus who takes the Bible seriously, but I have had to struggle with all the stuff out there like "The life of Horus' and "the Gnostic Gospels" and a lot of other stuff that casts doubt on what I believe. I cannot hope to be able to do all the research needed to properly refute (assuming I can)these things and yet I cannot just ignore them.
So what are my options? I could just discount it all and attack those producing this stuff - but that doesn't silence the questions and doubts created. Or, I could succumb to the doubts and just become an agnostic - not very satisfying for someone who really wants to know what is real and true.

The Bible records Jesus as giving people who had doubts about Him another option so long as we really want to know.
He said in John 7:17 ,"I didn't make this up. What I teach comes from the One who sent me. Anyone who is willing to do His will can test my teaching and know whether it is from God or whether I'm just making it up..."

The Bible is like a directory, pointing us in the right direction so we can know God. You can know it back to front and never follow its instructions which seems dumb but it does happen. If Jesus did not rise from the dead and if it is not possible to have a personal encounter with Him as the Bible claims, then everything we are talking about is academic hot air. Christianity and the Bible is thoroughly grounded in the real world (past present and future) and clearly points to a God Who is there and is not silent or inactive. The question is "Are you will to read and follow the directory and see where it lead?"
As C S Lewis rightly pointed out, Jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or the Son of the True God as He claimed to be.

Jesus also said, "Ask and it will be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you." All He asks of us is some old fashioned integrity and honest inquiry and He will do the rest.

A good place to start would be the Gospel of John, where 'What is truth?' is a major theme.

Now it's your move - God is waiting.

I just love how smug you all are.

Posted By MIKITUKKA on November 12, 2009

Its like your sitting there daying well i know the truth, your all dumb.

Well the fact is no one one on EITHER side of this debate has the slightest clue!

Just think about that next time you say things like "the TRUTH with penetrate their tormented and searching souls."

You dont know the truth anymore than the rest of us. Hense the requirement of FAITH!

RE: MIKITUKKA

Posted By CAB on November 12, 2009

Mr/Ms. Mikitukka,
May I repeat a few statements I posted earlier.
1) "This may be *redundant* but it must be said again and again; life is based on hope/faith - a *formless* thing that , in a **seemingly contradictory way, depends upon the believer viewing it in 'a form'**. One of my favorite quotes go like this - "Nothing is true, everything is permitted". It captures everything this site is about and some! ^_^
2) "I do not find the need to provide my religious/spiritual background because it adds *bias* and makes it even more complex. Either way, I know the truth and I am free.(**for extra fun, consider the logical fallacy I have presented here. Hint - my favorite quote**)

Now I will pose a question, does statement 1 contradict statement 2? If you say yes, you are not aware of that "deeper yet undefinable truth". For you to make such a sweeping statement in a condescending way while there are many posts that agree with you (all except the "dumb" part) indicate that you made such a statement out of ignorance.

Furthermore, reconsider the statement "... in a seemingly contradictory way, depends upon the believer viewing it in 'a form'." This implies that although we may not "know" the truth, we actually (are you ready for this?) "know" it on a more significant level. (Why worry about the details, they are negligible when compared to the truth of hope and faith)

There are many people questioning on this site - the first step to realizing "the truth". The funny thing is that even if one did not ask, they could still know the truth. Even so, it's great to question! More importantly, it's best to respect the values of others. If you don't, that's your choice - it's just a suggestion. (And rule in civilized intelligent society)

On my next post, I will discuss the similarities between this debate and Quantum Mechanics. I think you will find it to be an acceptable description of this problem.

Finally, I would like to congratulate you(and everyone else) for speaking out and voicing your opinion. That is what it's all about!!!
-CAB

The Truth

Posted By EGGNOG on December 8, 2009

The Bible was the absolute truth, until man modified it.. Jesus was made 'Son Of God' by a vote..
The TRUE story of Jesus, the Son of Mary.. One day, Gabriel, Archangel of God had appeared before Mary and told her that God has willer her to be the mother of a great prophet... Fear struck her at the image of the angel, and she asked how she can beget a son when no man had touched her?.. Gabriel told her not to be afraid, and to trust in God, the creator of all things... Jesus's arrival was already 'decreed' as a 'sign for manking' and 'mercy from God'.. As suck, Gabriel breathed into her a fraction of God's spirit (as is done to all who are conceived).. And he left.. Gabriel did not appear before her again until the day Jesus was born... During mid-August, Mary has left her home and made her way into the desert where she gave birth to Jesus... She started going into labor under a palm tree she had stopped at to rest under.. Then Gabriel appeared again.. He offered her comfort, told her to shake the palm tree so that ripe dates would fall for her... He pointed out to her a stream that God created by her side so she may drink... And Jesus was born.. Gabriel informed her, were she to see anyone, to say 'Verify! I have vowed a fast unto the most beneficent so I shall not speak to any human this day'.. He told her to say nothing when the people would ask about the baby, but to point at the baby instead, who will talk on her behalf.. When she returned home, crows gathered around her, Rabbis begain questioning her.. They said 'O Mary! You have brought a thing unheard of! Your father was not an adultere nor you mother an unchaste woman!'.. As they continued to accuse her of commiting adultery, she did as intructed and pointed at baby Jesus.. Laughing, they stated 'how can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?'.. And then, Jesus (pbuh), only a few hours old, spoke... 'Verily! I am a worshipper of Allah (god), He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.. And he has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Prayer, and Charity, as long as i live.. And he has made me dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant.. And peace be upon me on the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
The Holy Quran 3:45-48
Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a word from him.. Whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary.. Illustrious in The World and the hereafter.. and One of those brought near unto God.. He shall be of the Righteous.. And God will teach him The Book and Wisdom and The Torah and the Godpel...

My source: The Holy Quran

Your research material is limited.

Posted By BOBDELANY on December 13, 2009

In your repute of Horus/Jesus similarities, some of which are direct copies from other people I noticed, you are using only the Canonic Gospels that appear in the modern Bible to make your arguments. While there are still some striking resemblances to Pagan gods and Jesus within the modern Bible, the Catholic church has for centuries (especially the early centuries 2-4 CE) altered the book as it saw fit.

You need to go back further to some of the earliest works of early Christians to see how they modeled Jesus after Pagan gods to make conversion easier and to allow their new god to "compete" with other gods of the time. I would recommend studying the Apocryphal Gospel to see the absurdly clear examples from not only Horus but also Mithra, Dionysus, Krishna, Attis, among many others to see how Jesus (Yeshua Netser) was a composite of these earlier Pagan gods.

europeans stole from Egypt

Posted By MAGIC357 on December 23, 2009

Lets start with the one we are talking about, Horus. Trying to argue with time is like me being 30yr old and my mother is younger than me. Can't argue with time. Stop trying to compare who has the best creditionals and read the most books. This really is not rocket science. The problem is this world is designed for us not to use your brain. There is so much of Egypt's symbols in the western world. The medical symbol with the two snakes around the rod and wings, Egypt! The knew about DNA back then. Washington Monument, and the other obliesk at the Vactican. The only differance is there is an ANKH on the top. Excuse me, a cross. Same thing they changed it a bit. 'My Rod and My Staff comfort me', sound familiar christians? The Pharoahs held those. Look at the statues of the black madonna next pictures of Horus being held by Isis. They look very similiar Horus and jesus being held in the left leg. Pyrimids all over the place, even a U.S. city names after a city in Egypt. Which one is that? Memphis! Yes there is a pyrimid in their skyline. So you is lying or stealing here. Oh yeah don't try to say the devil knew about jesus coming and made copycats that the mind control talking. Plus if the this religion is totally God, sounds like you all are giving the devil too much credit. The royaly flags with lions of them, there aren't any lions in Europe.

Using the Bible to authenticate itself is a circular argument - a poor one at that.

Posted By CAPTAINOFMYONESHIP on January 6, 2010

Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. For example, consider some of the bogus claims that supposedly come from many eyewitness accounts of alien extraterrestrials and their space craft. They not only assert eyewitnesses but present blurry photos to boot! If we can question these accounts, then why should we not question claims that come from hearsay even more? Moreover, consider that the hearsay comes from ancient and unknown people that no longer live.

Unfortunately, belief and faith substitute as knowledge in many people's minds and nothing, even direct evidence thrust on the feet of their claims, could possibly change their minds. We have many stories, myths and beliefs of a Jesus but if we wish to establish the facts of history, we cannot even begin to put together a knowledgeable account without at least a few reliable eyewitness accounts.

Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus 'the Christ.' We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.

So if you hear anyone who claims to have evidence for a witness of a historical Jesus, simply ask for the author's birth date. Anyone who's birth occurred after an event cannot serve as an eyewitness, nor can their words alone serve as evidence for that event.

You will know them by thier works - Jesus

Posted By SARGON on January 28, 2010

The bible was put together over 300 years after Christs death. The people who were in attendance at Nicenea were not in agreement. Constantine who commissioned the event did so for political purposes. Constantine was the nastiest of people who killed both his wife and son .. a real sicko.

After a couple hundred years of Romans killing Christians .. Those who would become the founders of Holy Roman Christianity spent the next hundred years killing fellow christians (Gnostics)... and over 700 years destroying any knowledge which contradicted thier belief system.

What do you think it was they were destroying ? In the early christian church there were many church leaders who debated the validity of the christ story .. making the same arguements ( this is a copy of all the ancient myths from before horus mithra buddha and so on .. )

Jesus was worshiped as the "Sun God" not the "Son of God" until as late as 500 ad when the church finally put a stop to it. It took over 700 years .. think about this time frame.. to finally stamp out the truth (that the stories of the bible were almost all written before).

Then look at the actions of the Catholic church from 1000 ad till present... popes were actually allowed to have wives until this time when they invented the concept of original sin.. resulting in the repression of women.

Those who have run the Catholic church are sick sick poeple who tortured and killed hundreds of thousands ... anyone who did not agree with thier beliefs.

The Jesus I read about in the Bible told the crowd .. whilst ready to stone the harlot .. "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone"

I can not think of any organization who is more "anti" Christ than the Catholic church ... revelations talks about the anti christ reigning for 2000 years .. decieving the people. Sounds about right to me.

I think there was a fellow named Jesus who started a movement .. this fellow may or may not have been the son of God. The problem .. if I wanted to find a religious institution that actually followed the principles of Jesus ... WHERE WOULD I GO ???

cheers all

I appreciate what you have said....to an extent

Posted By SENATOR476 on February 24, 2009

You know I can appreciate what you folks mean, but I still have to stress not using user controlled sites, such as Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Mythica, and the other websites as primary source citations. There is plenty of primary sources out there in the world on this specific subject. The least you can do is look through the translated versions of these stories and myths. On the other hand, I really have not learned anything from this site except that my OPINION of Christianity has solidified further due to the lack of citations and open-mindedness. So use more solid citations and fix this page and use credible sources, like any scholar in this field of study.

updated article etc

Posted By NYMRWEBTEAM on March 5, 2009

This article has been updated (5 Mar 09)

@senator476: I appreciate your comments and hope that you like the updated version more than the previous.

Nevertheless, I don't claim to be a "scholar in this field of study" and intended to present a very general overview of the story of Horus and how it compares to the life of Jesus. As you said, there are many scholarly works out, so if you have links to them, please feel free to post them so that others might read them.

Also, I'm sorry to hear that you haven't found any articles on this site that you've learned anything from. If you're looking for more scholarly work (as, like I said earlier, we don't make any claims here to be scholars, just people discussing topics hopefully relevant to young Christians and those looking to learn more about Christianity), you might want to look into the works of Tim Keller and John Piper (desiringgod.org). They are very well-read and scholarly, and will hopefully provide the answers that you're looking for :-)

jesus vs. horus

Posted By SPARTAN30 on April 14, 2009

are we all idiots? there too many similarities, horus was first. the bible was made up by the romans in 325 a.d. the took stories from other nations they conquered and put them in the bible. then forced everyone to convert or die. after rome was gone the europeans did the same on the people of color as well as their own. then the white people forced it on the slaves. duh! jesus name isn't even jesus. the j. has only been around for 500 years. he lived supposedly 2000 years ago. dont use that line about translation, thats a lie too. my name is anthony im no one special and my name is older than that. use your "own" brains and wake up please!

Jesus vs. Horus

Posted By MISSIONBRENT on April 18, 2009

The church fathers have even stated that there many similarities between the "pagan" religions and Christianity and many stories were most likely taken from them. These are men who spend their lives researching and teaching Christianity and they have access to more information than we could ever hope to have. To take these similarities and try to debunk every one of them is just being ignorant. These Jesus vs. Horus stories is just one of hundreds of copied pagan myths. Jesus also shares many similarities with Buddha, Krishna, Sun, Mushroom, Mithra, Dionysus / Baccaus, and Attis of Phrygia. All of these other religions are much older than Christianity and the similarities are probably more than we will ever know due to information being lost. The fact of the matter is religion is the oldest form of social control. It always has been. If you want to believe that Jesus’ story is original then we can go back to the earth being flat and 10,000 years old, stop eating pork, burn some books on evolution (which the last Pope even stated is no longer a theory), and start burning our scientists for contradicting the teachings of the bible. Religious Fanatics hinder human progress and commit more crimes against humanity than science could ever dream of. Think of how many people have died for religions that don't even exist anymore. What makes one religion more credible than another? There are religions out there with more followers and some with more credible historical evidence. Why are they wrong and Christian’s right? These are questions we should all be asking. No one should ever blindly follow anything. It is often said that Gods greatest gift to man was free will, so maybe we should start using it.

One more thing

Posted By MISSIONBRENT on April 18, 2009

The whole point of these religious teachings is to set up a guide map for people to live their lives. People get too caught up in the factual content. The fact is there is no proof whatsoever that that any of these religious stories are true. People miss the point. The point is to live a good life. These biblical teachings were put into place because many people can not live a good life without someone telling them to or threatening them if they don't. I can look at it purely from an intellectual standpoint and determine what needs to happen to make a functioning society. I can do this without a mythical beings' possible punishment hanging over my head, but many people can not do this, hence religion.

Unofficial?

Posted By TAIKOR on April 26, 2009

I don't understand how, for example, you find "an unofficial story" story about Horus' death as legitimate justification that Horus was not crucified.

If it's not official, how you do you make it official? Are you playing God?

my thoughts

Posted By NOTAFLOATER on April 29, 2009

i believe that it is good for some people, if needed, to have faith in religion. However, there are similarities between them all, and the information to prove that is available in every holy text in the world. To deny the similarities between Christianity and any other religion is impossible because all religions have very closely related infrastructures and stories. Faith is great if it helps you live your lives, and I applaud all those who display theirs proudly. I just wish they would stop inviting me to church.

jesus vs. horus

Posted By SPARTAN31 on May 6, 2009

thanks missonbrent i only had a couple minutes to comment. people need wake up and question, question, and question some more. there's so many things wrong with religion, especially christianity i don't have enough room to type. so i'll ask everyone else one this time. who was there taking down notes when god and the devil were making their wager about 'job' or when god said we were made in his image? think people there there's too much in the universe to say something like that. that's one question, i'll debate any christian about your religion. and i'm not with any other religion. my understanding of the creator is way different and deeper than your paster. then i'll 'your' religion to make most of my points

HORUS AND JESUS

Posted By TMWDY on May 10, 2009

jESUS IS AN HISTORICAL FIGURE WHILE HORUS HAS BEEN INVENTED.PLEASE STOP MIXING LIGHT WITH DARKNESS!

HORUS AND JESUS Posted By TMWDY on May 10, 2009

Posted By MISSIONBRENT on May 10, 2009

TMWDY said:
"jESUS IS AN HISTORICAL FIGURE WHILE HORUS HAS BEEN INVENTED.PLEASE STOP MIXING LIGHT WITH DARKNESS!"


There is just as much physical evidence for Horus as there is for Jesus... NONE. The only "evidence" for either is books written by man. What there is a lot of evidence for is the fact that the story of Jesus was copied from Horus. To argue anything otherwise would be ignoring the facts which would be ignorant, but it would also be the norm because people have been ignoring the facts or lack there of since religion was created.

So keep arguing over religion and fighting for it, enjoy your opium.

jesus vs. horus

Posted By SPARTAN31 on May 11, 2009

two comments, one you can't argue with time. whether horus was real or not isn't that important to me but the story came first. a matter of fact about 1000 yrs. first. and point number 2 no one has anything to say about the letter "j" yet. like i said before can't argue with time. jesus 2000 yr. ago, letter "j" 500 yr. ago. somebody lying! anyone wanna debate im still waiting.

occupation 101

Posted By GODISINTHE HEART on May 17, 2009

Go to googlevideo.com and place the above topic: "occupation 101" in the search engine? The fake jews in israel arnt God's children. So the question is who God is of these children?

IN REPLY TO: occupation 101 by GODISINTHE HEART

Posted By MISSIONBRENT on May 17, 2009

No one is god’s children. Religion is the oldest form of social control. It plays off of human nature which makes people believe that they are special or better than other groups of people or animals because they were chosen by god.

If there is a god he would not allow all of the travesties that are carried out in his name. He would also not allow all of the religious zealots to hinder human progression like they do. They are churches in America that still preach evolution as being a farce. The Catholic Church has even acknowledged it as scientific fact.

If he was real why the hell would he care about the specifics of what you beleive as long as you are a good person. People get caught up on all the wrong stuff.

jesus vs. horus

Posted By SPARTAN31 on May 22, 2009

once again i have to agree with missionbrent. there arent any chosen people. if you chosen to do something then why was the need to force the views on people, and let them choose between death or religion. that's all i need to do is agree to join and presto, im one of the chosen.
Next dont forget about the letter "j". i keep bringing it up because it is a big piece of evidence to prove christianity was made up. so that doesnt just go for jesus name, that includes, joseph, john the baptist, and the list goes on and on. funny one the disciples, thomas's name also stood the test of time.

the letter "j"

Posted By BUGSY on May 22, 2009

joseph, jesus, etc are english translations of hebrew names

@chosen people: just b/c a group of people are chosen to do something doesn't mean they will always agree to do it. God believed that they were the best group for the things he wanted them to do, but without his wisdom, they didn't see that for themselves. so he had to teach them that he had chosen them.

just like he has a unique and important task for each of our lives. maybe by our own wisdom, we think we'd live our best lives by being a talk show host, but maybe God wants us to be an engineer. he would have to "work hard" to get you to see it from his perspective, especially if you're not focused on trying to understand how he views things. but nevertheless, the tasks he's made you for are still important

pale in comparison- Jesus vs. Horus

Posted By LADYLAWSON on May 23, 2009

Great perspective. I ran accross this mythical story some time back and was confused by it, but dismissed it, becuase that is what faith in God does. There is no objection against a God who proves himself to you, again and again. So thank you for the clarification. And don't be discouraged by the nay sayers! Something drew them to this web sight, and prayerfully, the TRUTH with penetrate their tormented and searching souls.

jesus vs. horus

Posted By SPARTAN31 on May 28, 2009

i haven't been on here for a while. bugsy your answer is the same answer i always get. the people who run your religion treat you like parents treat their children when it comes to santa claus. let me tell you a little about me. im auto parts driver and also work at greyhound. i have a common name that has been around about roughly 2500yr, unchanged. so my name can stay the same through english translation but not the son of God. your religion has been tamper with and copied. and lady lawson im not trying to persuade anyone not to believe in God. im just trying to get people to open their eyes and dig deeper. look at creation there isn't any straight angles in nature or the universe. god has patterns out there. why limit yourselves. why stay the box or line with the other sheep. your religion even openly calls you all sheep.

Horus was totally first, guys!

Posted By NOT2GREENE on May 31, 2009

C'mon everyone, it's so obvious. Horus came first so Jesus couldn't have been real. It's called logic. There is no possible way that Jesus' story could be true or that Jesus could have been real because Horus was first and their stories are so similar. I mean, even if the evidence for the main similarities is unreliable or not really true, and lots of similarities can be found between pretty much any two people... you can totally tell that Jesus was invented based on the story of Horus. It's so obvious.

Look at the logic. The story of Horus is really really similar to the story of Jesus, and the story of Horus came first, so the story of Jesus MUST be fake! There's no way to have stories of two people at different times with so many things in common. It's just not possible!

Plus, it would have been totally easy for a small group of Romans to have invented the story of Jesus and walked around making people believe it even though no one had ever heard of Jesus before that.

Oh, and why would anyone believe someone existed with such little evidence. But Socrates was totally real and awesome!

Pagan Beliefs

Posted By MWEBBER on June 1, 2009

What's great about this story of Horus predating Christ is the confirmation that Egypt was recording information. The pagan gods they believed in confirm the Egyptian lack of a belief/relationship with the true God of the universe. The merciful side of God was that He brought His Jewish people into the land of Egypt to reveal Himself to them. Of course, they rejected Him and He was forced to destroy their rule in that land. God prevailed as He always does. Furthermore, because there is a God and an oppressor (Satan), don't you think that Satan could have influenced the Egyptians to write Pagan stories to be similar to Christ's future existence? Satan is the great deceiver and for all time (physical property) has tried to create counterfeit after counterfeit to draw people away from God himself. The thing is, Jesus' true existence is one of the most provable facts in history. The prophesies concerning his coming existence written in the Old-Testament all came to pass. The odds are insurmountable that they would, but they did. The Bible says that unless you believe, you won't understand God's true Word, so it is easy to understand why many people commenting on this site don't understand and choose to go down any number of broad paths leading to destruction and those with understanding are on the narrow path. Let me say this, if Athesists are correct or if all paths lead to God, either way, Christians are okay. But, if only Christian belivers are correct, Atheists and those that believe all paths lead to God are in serious trouble.

Jesus VS Horus

Posted By GREENLEAF on June 3, 2009

Horus is one of the oldest and most significant of the deities in the Ancient Egyptian religion who was worshipped from at least the late Predynastic period through to Greco-Roman times. Different forms of Horuses are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists.[1] These various forms may possibly be different perceptions of the same multi-layered deity in which certain attributes or syncretic relationships are emphasised, not necessarily in opposition but complemenary to one another, consistent with how the Ancient Egyptians viewed the multiple facets of reality.[2] The earliest recorded form is Horus the Falcon who was the patron deity of Nekhen in Upper Egypt and who is the first known national god, specifically related to the king who in time became to be regarded as a manifestation of Horus in life and Osiris in death.[1] The most commonly encountered family relationship describes Horus as the son of Isis and Osiris but in another tradition Hathor is regarded as his mother and sometimes as his wife. Not only is this story true, but there are many traces that you can see today to prove this he was worshiped. hieroglyphs are in Egypt today. If you do the studies all of the constellations, days of the week, and the way we tell time is taken from the pagans of Egypt. The cross and the jesus(yeshua) fish that you see are all pagan symbols.

Most of you are lost

Posted By MS. EVABABY on June 3, 2009

I believe in Jesus "the christ" that is why I am doing my research on Christianity, not because I doubt him. I just want to know what to tell someone when they come at me with nonsense.

If humanity is so smart and all knowing then we should be perfect. Yet we no what is wrong and still chose to do it. Left to our own devices I believe we would ALL be extinct right now. I do not trust the "morals" of man unless he is linked to the true word of GOD. If we were to dictate what is good and bad the world would be in chaos (which we are moving towards)

We are always questioning this and that (science.) Not all truth can be understood. NONE of us have control over anything! You would rather believe in Horus or nothing at all, because humans can not stand thinking they are not in control.

We use one "truth" to debunk another. Jesus however his named is spelled, did not come to detroy the world but to save it. If I didn't believe in God even my own morals couldn't stop me from doing something distructive to myself or anyone else. Not to say atheist and agnostics people are raving maniacs, but I know they are missing something. What are they not believeing in? The supossed control of mindless religion over reason? The notion of heaven and hell? Christianity speaks love. So the only conflict comes when man puts his own spin on it.

I know who MY Savior is. All of you have free will to know God and Jesus. If Jesus is so unbelievable, then their is no argument to win against. Don't call me close minded because I believe.

I am not a closed minded Christian, I just know personally what Jesus my God has done for me. I say with all certainty I would have been dead and gone were it not for the Lord.

Say what you want, but I believe what my heart tells me. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things unseen. Jesus (or Jushua) preached about love and destruction of sin. Where is the fault in him? Are his miracles offensive? Is his love offensive? Or do you just reject the thought of being saved through him? Why, because you don't need anyone to tell you are right or wrong or *gasp* a sinner?

I have sinned, still do, but I know God still loves me. My constant struggle is against the good and the bad in me. God and the holy spirit in me strengthens the good in me to overcome the bad. Yes I am I christian and I still sin. No I do not belive I am going to hell, because I know who God is and I believe in love and his son Jesus.

However I am very aware that I could just let loose and do whatever "sinnful" thing i want. I have free will to do that. And i'm pretty sure left to my own devices I would be dead. If not directly because of my sins, then in relation to the situation I would pput myself in.

Most of you probably believe you don't need to be saved through Jesus that you can be a good person. Do what you will, but my believe in Jesus has not harmed, but save me.

People didn't believe in him then and they don't now. Prophets in the Torah even spoke of Jesus. It says in God's word "From the creation of the world his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature,have been clearly seen, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse. For though they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or show gratitude. Instead their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of he immortal God for images resembling mortal man, birds four-footed animals, and reptiles."

My God has never hurt me. The Jesus I know has always saved ME. I will tesify to that until my last breath. Even if I die tomorrow. i know I will not die a fool. For God I live and for God I will die.

christians in a box

Posted By SPARTAN31 on June 3, 2009

Where do i begin? Since i'm at work i'll just ask a question this time. Even though no one seem to be able to give me any good answers or one that wasn't fed to them by their clergy. Mwebber where are the facts in christianity? There are none. That's why you need faith. I know for a fact there is a creator but since my mind isn't in a box I see and experience more than a lot of you. I gave a hint in an ealier statment of mine that there is no such thing as the straight and narrow. What I meant by that is look at nature and the universe. God has lots of patterns that repeat but on different scales. One thing you dont see is straight lines or edges in nature. That's man made. Im trying get people to get out of the box, and acknowledge christianity is not the only way. And how to truly become a spiritual being and not a sheep. I'll continue when i get a chance.

how did we get this religion?

Posted By SPARTAN31 on June 4, 2009

From the start when the Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion it was forced on the people. Well i didn't want bring up the race card but, how did we as blacks get this religion. Lets say the bible was the absolute truth. According to the bible all these stories took place in Africa and Middle East, right. But the Europeans were the ones to bring it to us. Even though the stories in the bible happened on our land. And we never heard of it before the whites came and forced it on us.
Understand they didnt just stop with Africa they came to all the people of color around the world. Why do you think everyone from Mexico on down to the tip of South America speak Spanish and are Catholic? That's not their native tongue or religion. It was forced on them. Now anchestors of the slaves in the United States. I ask you. If you call yourself intelligent, do you honestly believe the same people you did all the horrible things they did during slavery would be the same people to show us the true path to God? How can you trust that frome them and call yourself intelligent? think about that when you defend something that was forced on your anchestors who then passed it to you.

Really?

Posted By HEARTY23 on June 5, 2009

First of all allow me to state that I am not a religious individual, I have in fact never once been to a church of any kind. I stumbled upon this site doing additional research on various religions after viewing the movie Religulous.

I have to say Anthony AKA Spartan31 that for someone who boasts how well he thinks outside the box you are remarkably narrow minded. Your staunch belief in the mysticism of Christ mirrors that of the most fanatical Christians in their absolute belief that Christ is God incarnate. How can you possibly bash the faith of those who believe when you are so blinded by your own disbelief to even entertain the possibility of an alternative? I have to wonder why you feel the need to proselytize on the web when you admonish others for doing so. This really makes you no different from the Christians you condemn for pushing their views onto other people.

If you believe that Christianity is all myth then you are certainly entitled to do so. I however, suggest when you come on board and attack an entire religion that instead of choosing a trivial matter like whether or not Christians stole Jesus’ story from another religion you choose some of the true atrocities committed in the name of the Christian God to do so.

Now on to your claims about the letter ‘J’ and how it is not a translation issue and that because Jesus wasn’t called Jesus until 500 years ago then it all must be one big giant conspiracy. The letter ‘J’ was not widely used in the printed English language until the 16th century or so because before then it was basically synonymous with the letter ‘I’. Prior to the inclusion of the letter ‘J’ in the English alphabet Jesus was Iesus. The name Jesus is indeed a translation and believe it or not people who speak other languages have a different name for him. For example in Hebrew he is referred to as Yeshua and he is called by the name Isa in the Qu’ran.Jesus is a rough translation from Greek. Despite your claim that your name Anthony has been unchanged for the past 2500 years it actually appears as Antonio in Spanish and Italian and Antoine in French. This magical little feat is called transliteration.

It does not take a degree in linguistics to know these things. It takes about 30 minutes of research to figure them out. Speaking of research I have to question exactly what sources you are using. I also have to wonder if you have ever read or acknowledged any source of information that disagrees with your own special dogma. Again you are more than entitled to your own beliefs, but before you go blasting off about the evils of Christianity I strongly recommend getting your nose out of Dan Brown’s The Da Vinci Code, keep a truly open mind, and do some serious research on both sides of the spectrum. Should you do these things, I believe that you will find plenty of legitimate bases on which to discredit Christianity or any organized religions for that matter.