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Gay Marriage = Christian Persecution??
October 14, 2008

Some very concerned Christians are saying that:

Gay marriage will destroy the moral fabric of our society.

It will pollute the minds of our children.

It will result in the unrelenting persecution of Christians.

It will bring God’s wrath upon our heathen nation.

But, will all of this really happen? What can we expect to change in society? What should we consider in deciding how to vote on gay marriage?

Here are 3 questions that should be considered before deciding how you’ll vote on gay marriage.
    1) Do you believe that people are gay from birth or by choice?
    2) Do you see a distinction between "gay marriage" and "civil unions"?
    3) Will there be discrimination against Christians? And, if so, what can be done?

Being gay: from birth or by choice
If you believe that people are gay from birth, then you see discriminating against gay people akin to racism and sexism. Thus, there is no reason to discriminate against gay people (i.e. ban gay marriage) because it's not something they chose or can control.

If you believe that people are gay by choice, then you have the choice between voting for "gay marriage", voting for "civil unions" or voting to ban both.

Note: According to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, there is no "gay gene", so when you say that people are gay “from birth”, you really mean that they developed homosexual feelings at a young age, which could mean that they somehow subconsciously “chose” to be gay…or maybe they didn’t.

Difference between "gay marriage" and "civil unions"
Gay Marriage: changes traditional definition of marriage from being between a man and a woman to being between two individuals (man-woman, man-man, woman-woman)

Civil Unions: adds another classification for lifelong commitments, which currently also includes "traditional marriage" and "common law marriage". The rights given to those in civil unions would be determined within each state. In some states, civil unions could be given the same rights as traditional marriages, while in other states, the two could be different.

Discrimination against/persecution of Christians
Whether you think that gay marriage or civil unions should be allowed in society, it's still important to consider the effect of either on Christians because in some states, gay marriage/civil unions will be voted into law.

Here are the two main effects that could concern you:

Can anything be done about these two concerns? Yes! The church has dealt with similar concerns in the past.

Education: When schools wanted to teach evolution and the Big Bang in schools, instead of creation, Christians were outraged because they didn't want the minds of their children "polluted". But, after the dust settled, parents realized that they had options.
•    They could work with their school to teach creation and evolution both as theories.
•    They could homeschool their kids.
•    They could teach their kids about creation at home and at church, to balance out what they were learning in school.

I think that the same approach should be taken with regards to children being taught in schools that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. You can teach your kids what you believe at home and work with your kid's school on how they present homosexuality.

Religious Freedom: When the Supreme Court in New Jersey ruled that the Boy Scouts of America troops in their state had to allow gay troop leaders, the Boy Scouts took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court. They claimed that under the First Amendment, they had the right to ban gay troop leaders, just like they already banned atheist and agnostic troop leaders. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed and overturned the New Jersey Court’s ruling that the troops were breaking the state’s anti-discrimination law. Now, the Boy Scouts are able to ban gay troop leaders, in accordance with their beliefs
 

Closing Thoughts
As Christians, we shouldn’t let fear of persecution guide our behavior. We should stand for truth in our personal lives, and let others come to their own decisions about how they want to live.

We don’t need to use legislation to make it harder for non-Christians to sin. I don't really see Christians in the Bible doing that. What I do see, are Christians living godly lives in such a way that made others want what they had, and issuing a call to repentance.

I, personally, plan to vote for civil unions because I think that will give both gay couples and religious organizations the freedom to act according to their own beliefs. But, however you decide to vote, I encourage you to base it more on how to best show God’s love and bring people closer to God, than on whether you or your church will face persecution.


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What are your thoughts? Are you concerned about religious persecution? What other things are you considering in deciding your stance on gay marriage?


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Visitor Comments (7)
clarification
Posted By THEAUTHOR on October 14, 2008
i'd just like to say that this article was meant to simplify the issue of gay marriage in order to give people a clearer picture of some of the various layers. getting into the complex nuances would've led to a cluttered and seemingly disorganized piece.

also the following comments are an ongoing conversation between me (the author) and the writer of an article that got me heated enough to write about this issue. just wanted to keep you guys informed. feel free to jump in on the convo with your own thoughts.
the commentary
Posted By THEAUTHOR on October 14, 2008
christrocentric says: You appear to be ignoring all the articles written on what’s going on with Christians as a result of the acceptance of the gay lifestyle as “moral.”

For example, you wrote that with education, just working with the schools would bring some type of solution. Did you even read where David Parker in Massachusetts had NO CHOICE in his child’s education? The homosexual agenda was being taught in his child’s school WITHOUT parental consent because gay marriages are an acceptable lifestyle legally. He had no other choice BUT to homeschool his children. For taxpaying citizens, that is totally unacceptable.

You are ignoring what is already happening. If Christians thought that gays living their lifestyle wouldn’t affect them in any way at all, then sure, it wouldn’t matter how we’d vote on anything.

But you aren’t being realistic regarding what’s really happening right now and you need to sit down and take a few moments to catch up with todays current events.
my response
Posted By THEAUTHOR on October 14, 2008
I've read your articles and I know that that guy decided to homeschool his kids, but the fact of the matter is that Christians aren't the only people in the world. There are other beliefs and lifestyle choices, and we won't always agree with them.

Sometimes our kids will have to learn something in schools that goes against what we believe. But this a free country and people have freedom of speech and opinions. When schools were teaching creation and not evolution, I'm sure there were a lot of non-christian parents who weren't happy that their kids were learning something that they didn't believe in. So they fought and got evolution taught in schools. And then christians fought and got them both taught as theories.

Yes, there have been and will continue to be situations where churches and parents and religious organizations don't get to have things happen exactly according to what they believe. And in those situations, they should fight to have their beliefs recognized just like everyone else's. But (like what happened to that guy), we won't always get what we want and we have to figure out how to compromise because our belief system is not the only one. And, if we want other people to respect what we believe, we have to respect what they believe.

Like I said in a previous post, we shouldn't base our decisions on whether we'll be persecuted. Jesus was persecuted more than we could ever imagine and he still did what he came to do - show love, teach compassion, be the final sacrifice. But note, that he didn't force anyone to follow him and he didn't demand that the government change their laws to be in accordance with his teachings. He lived his life in line with what he was teaching and encouraged others to do the same, giving them the FREEDOM to make their own decisions.

I'd rather be persecuted for allowing gay marriage and have my gay friends and family members see that I love them (and more importantly, God loves them) in spite of the fact that I see that aspect of their lifestyle as sinful, and have them be brought closer to God than to spare myself and other christians persecution and have them be pushed so far away from God that they don't even want to consider Him as an option in their lives.
Simple comedy
Posted By CLAIRIE on November 13, 2008
You have the option to opt children out of any educational material that you do not agree with as a parent.

Gay marriage itself does not tear morals asunder. It tears the predetermined idea of traditional marriage asunder. Considering people who ended up in the americas in New England were fleeing persecution of their beleifs, it seems odd that now we're going to allow persecution of sexuality... because of a groups beleifs.

Persecution doesn't just go against christians, or jews, or races. We have a group of people in this world that are persecuted for their sexuality. Banning gay marriage? Bigotry and fear mongering. If you're so !@#!@scared to see a man and man or woman and woman happy together and EQUAL by law to you, feel free to run off another country. We're created equal, and have the same rights to life and that very equality.

Drop your religious perspective and consider what it would be like if suddenly blondes and brunettes were not allowed to marry. You'd be outraged, wouldn't you? Well, how do you think gays feel?

Get off your high horses and accept that Equal doesn't just apply to you, it applies to everyone EQUALLY.
comedy??
Posted By BOB on November 13, 2008
@clairie: i'm confused by your comment. who should get off their high horses? did you read the entire article? it seems like you stopped at the opening comments because after that, the article took a completely different turn to look at the different ways to approach one's position on gay marriage.

you seem to believe that people are born gay (?) and that, consequently, they should be allowed to marry whoever they want. and i respect your opinion, but you have to recognize that not everyone believes that, so the decision to approve of gay marriage isn't the easiest one to make.

i'm sure there are things that you disagree with, because of your personal beliefs, that wouldn't be at the top of your list of things you want legalized - perhaps smoking marijuana or prostitution or slavery, i don't know. but my point is, you have a right to those opinions and a right to openly discuss how to vote on those topics.

these discussions aren't about being hateful or self-righteous, they're about dealing with real issues and decisions, and how they line up with what we say we believe.

ya kno?
forget religion
Posted By BALLER07 on November 15, 2008
How can u say 4get about religion!? As christians we are to stand on the word. That's part of our religion. I don't understand how ppl r 4getting wt God has called us to do. Spread the gospel and make disciples. No do not force or make any1. Bt we stand on his wrd. His wrd does nt accept homosexuality in the old testament nor in the new testament. And this is nt just towards them. It goes 2 the sexual immorality, liars, etc. Bt this just happens 2 b smthn we vote on. Neither does God accept civil unions because the bible speaks out against fornication. It seems like ppl r so scares of makin ppl feel bad. We're suppose to speak out of love in everything we say. So if I disagree with gay marriage, my friends and family will still know I love them but I dnt accept their lifestyle. There's 2 commandments that cover everythinf. Love God with all your heart mind and spirit and love ur neighbor as urself. Loving sm1 doesn't mean u agree with everything they say. Do not b ashamed
Dont judge
Posted By JESS on May 7, 2009
I just think that we should let god judge, and keep our judgements to ourselves. Those things you mentioned, prostitution and smoking pot and slavery, they are harmful to others around you. Being gay is only harmful to themselves. I think it is up to us to let god judge. WE should respect and love them as you said. We may not agree with their choices, but they ARE people too, and that makes them GODS children. Voting against gay marriage is persecution, in my opinion. And who are they hurting but themselves, you know?
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